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First look: Siemens Venture coaches debut for Amtrak (updated)

By Bob Johnston | February 2, 2022

“Soft” launch comes on Lincoln Service train to St. Louis

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Conductor waves as he boards passenger car at platform
Conductor waves as he boards passenger car at platform
Amtrak conductor Erik Newsom waves as he prepares to reboard one of the Amtrak Midwest Venture coaches in Joliet, Ill., on Tuesday. The new equipment made its debut on a Lincoln Service round trip between Chicago and St. Louis. (Bob Johnston)

CHICAGO — “Give yourself a big round of applause,” conductor Erik Newsom enthusiastically announced over the public address system of Amtrak train No. 303 as it left Chicago for St. Louis on Tuesday morning. “You’re the very first to ride Amtrak’s new Midwest cars!”

Clapping followed, but that was the extent of the morning’s fanfare as the Siemens Venture coaches made their first revenue trip. The announcement had been slightly delayed because feedback greeted the conductor’s initial attempt — one reason plenty of technicians were aboard to solve such teething problems.

“We’re planning an official grand opening in mid-February,” explains Jennifer Bastian, the Illinois Department of Transportation’s section chief of passenger rail rolling stock. “The first ‘married pair’ of a coach-cafe and business-class car is leaving Siemens in Sacramento this week, and we have to determine when it will fit into the next consist that we release.” Until all arrive, a standard Horizon or Amfleet I cafe with a business class section will fill in, as was the case on this train.

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The retractable steps on the new Venture coaches can vary in deployment depending on platform height. (Bob Johnston)

The semi-permanently coupled cars are integral to every consist because each has a built-in wheelchair lift. The married pairs were originally set to be completed after coaches for the Midwest and California’s San Joaquins were built, but a series of production retrofits has delayed the revenue debut of the coaches. Trains News Wire will examine those delays separately.

The Midwest’s new arrivals are clear derivatives of equipment Siemens first built for Florida’s Brightline, which entered revenue service in South Florida in January 2018. But there are a few significant differences.

Boarding: Brightline uses extending bridge plates at each doorway to reach high-level platforms. That isn’t possible with the Midwest’s low-level platforms, but these cars have retractable steps.

Passageway and vestibule on passenger car
Wider passageways allow wheelchairs to pass through. (Bob Johnston)

“The conductor can choose to extend one step or two, depending on the platform height, and choose which doors to open,” Bastian says. “With [interior] trap doors in the upright position and train line capability, when we get to a station all of the appropriate doors open, and passengers can enter or leave as necessary.” Before that happens, additional decals and warnings will need to be added around the interior doorways to advise passengers where they may not stand.

Interior of pasenger car with blue seats and a table in front of row nearest camera
The coaches feature wider aisles and slightly narrower seats. (Bob Johnston)

Accessibility:  Passageways around those interior doors, with clearly-marked and much smaller black and yellow traps, are spacious compared with the tunnel effect passengers experience on Amtrak’s other single-level cars. The expanded width, similar to what Brightline equipment offers, allows wheelchair travelers to pass between cars when the train is stopped.

Bastian notes the coach-café and business-class married pairs will allow such passengers to move between at least those

White table with slide-out section in front of chairs
The cars feature a new table design. (Bob Johnston)

two cars at all times. Aisles in the coaches are wide enough to accommodate wheelchairs throughout.

“The reason we went with married pairs,” Bastian says, “is that Amtrak’s Chicago maintenance facilities are not set up yet for semi-permanently coupled trainsets. If they upgrade facilities in the future, we can change the couplers. The good news is that with lifts integrated into the cars, passengers will be able to access every wheelchair location in each car throughout the train.”

Seating and storage: Seats are slightly narrower to make room for the wider aisles, and have a firmer feel with more lower-back support than seats in other Amtrak cars. They also recline differently, with the lower cushion sliding forward.

There are 17 rows of two-by-two seating, and an additional pair of seats opposite the combination luggage/bicycle rack at one end.

One innovation is a new, sturdier table design than the one utilized in Brightline coaches. This one has slide-out drawers. The new configuration required the adjacent emergency-exit window to be revised and re-tested, one cause for production delays, according to Bastian.

Bathroom in passenger car
The spacious bathroom in the Venture coaches. (Bob Johnston)

Bathrooms: The spacious facility at one end of each coach has touchless faucets and more space alongside a real toilet bowl. Gone are the outhouse-inspired commodes on Amfleet and Horizon cars.

WiFi and windows: Another implementation delay occurred to make sure the cars’ entirely new WiFi system was working properly along the Lincoln Service route. The old setup had a single café-car-based server; Bastian tells Trains News Wire that the new system created by Icomera has three

View looking out window of passenger car
The cars feature translucent shades instead of curtains. (Bob Johnston)

“brains” per consist, “capable of picking up signals at a much steadier rate.”

Another innovation is a translucent, pull-down window shade in place of curtains. Although it does partially dim the bright sun, the new shades only exacerbate the typically dirty Amtrak window washing on the new equipment.

Update: Seat and aisle width

In a response to an additional inquiry, Illinois DOT’s Bastian tells Trains News Wire that the seat-cushion width in the new Venture coaches is 19.1 inches. This compares with an armrest-to-armrest 19-inch width in Brightline Siemens coaches and an average of 21 inches for Amtrak’s Horizon and Amfleet 1 seats, a Talgo Series 8 coach, as well as Brightline’s “select” (business class) seating. She says the new Amtrak Midwest cars’ business-class seat cushions are 26 inches wide. When those cars are delivered, their 2-1 seats will double the capacity in that class from 18 for to 36 passengers.

However, cushions are a bit wider than armrest-to-armrest measures, depending upon the way a seat is constructed, so the Venture coach’s armrest-to-armrest measurement is marginally narrower. Armrests on the new cars do fold up, and Bastian says the seating configuration allows an aisle width of 35 inches through the car, reduced to 32 inches in the wide passageway between cars.

For further comparison, seats on Southwest Airlines are either 17 or 17.8 inches wide, depending on the model of airplane, according to Seat Guru. The most dramatic difference between rail and air seating is in seat pitch — the distance between one row and the next. That can be as little as 28 inches on some airlines, and varies from 31 to 33 inches on Southwest. In the Venture coaches, the pitch is 36.8 inches; in business class, it will be 39 inches.

Tentative roll-out plans

Bastian says the plan is to equip all Lincoln Service trains first, then move on to other Midwest routes at the rate of eight cars per month, “if Siemens can support getting the coaches ready.” A total of 42 cars are being retrofitted in Chicago.

— Updated at 1:35 p.m. CST on Feb. 3 with seat and aisle width details; additional update at 2 p.m. with airline comparison.

Going-away view of five-car passenger train
Four of the new Venture coaches head south from Joliet, Ill., on their first trip Tuesday. (Trains: David Lassen)

13 thoughts on “First look: Siemens Venture coaches debut for Amtrak (updated)

  1. Everything looks and sounds fine to me, except those seats appear to be too narrow and too thin to be comfortable. Comment on this aspect by actual riders will be interesting.

  2. I agree, George, about the seats. They look like what Delta introduced on their planes after the merger with Northwest. If you recline too much, you slide out of the seat!

    1. Or the lavatory on a Delta Airbus I flew on. I thought it was the little storage area where they keep the demonstration oxygen masks and the seat belt extenders but the sign said “lavatory”.

      Railroad lavatories keep getting bigger for wheelchair access. Airplane lavatories keep getting smaller. Newer trains are accessible for actual wheelchairs but airplanes only for transport wheelchairs. And don’t even think of going to the head, can’t be done.

  3. Anything retractable has never worked for Amtrak in winter weather conditions. Rohr Turboliner retractable stairs had to be wired closed and Amfleet -1 side vestibule doors would not open or close in winter conditions. Always willing to give Technology the benefit of doubt .

    1. Hope there’s an ironclad warranty. As you state. Peter, the Chicago corridors operate in winter weather. As does all of VIA Rail.

  4. When these new trainsets are complete and being pulled by a Siemens Charger at 100 mph +, give me a call. Otherwise I will be forced to watch Netflix in my seat as it putts along at 78mph or less.

    1. Not sure if you’re referring to the Illinois trains, but Amtrak has been going 110 on much of the Michigan route for years.

  5. A photo at Trainorders “Passenger Trains” forum showed a seat row with no window. The person who began the thread said through the entire car not all the seats match up to the windows. Indeed in the accompanying photo to this article that looks down the aisle, I can see the second and fourth row from the camera facing the space BETWEEN the windows. How the hell did that happen?!?! Any on this forum want to sit for 5 hours on one of these trains with no window to look out of? Too bad no one commented on that to ILDOT’s Jennifer Bastian.
    Hope Trains’ Bob Johnson writes of this in a subsequent column.

  6. The seat rows with no window reminds me of the 22-roomette Inn-series cars PRR converted to coaches some time in the late 50s-early 60s. They too had seats and windows not aligned. But PRR can be forgiven. They were losing their shirts on passenger service so they were not concerned about such niceties as giving every inside seat passenger a window. What’s Siemens’, Amtrak’s, and ILDOT’s excuse?

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