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Started by grandeman at 06-11-2005 2:21 PM. Topic has 41 replies.
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   06-11-2005, 2:21 PM
grandeman

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Post Icon Basic Weathering, a Pictoral Guide
There seems to be a lot of interest here in weathering freight cars and locos. Weathering adds to a model's realism. There are several methods to achieve a weathered look such as airbrushing, washes, etc. The method described here works well for me but keep in mind, there's a right way, a wrong way, and there's grande man's way. [:D] This is a quick and dirty (no pun intended [:D]) method to turn out a quantity of rolling stock in a hurry. It probably takes about 10 minutes per car plus drying time for the dull cote. Maybe some of ya'll will find it useful.

The "victim" and basic materials. The chalk came from a LHS and Testors Dull Cote is widely available. I prefer an angled brush because it can reach into small spaces yet still cover larger areas. I use the same brush for all chalk colors.


The first step is to add soot. Go ahead and coat darker colored cars like this oxide color fairly heavy. For lighter color cars add a little less "soot".


With a paper towel dampened with "wet water" (water with a few drops of dish detergent added for spraying scenery before cementing it) add streaks to the soot. On a car body such as this hopper, I like to leave soot around the verticle structure.


The next step is to apply a coat of Testors dull cote over the entire model. This seals the soot and "grabs" chalk added later. Don't get dull cote in the truck journals. Tape them if necessary.


While the dull cote dries, apply a cote of Floquil Rail Brown to the wheels. Be careful not to get paint in the journals or on the treads.


Add "dirt" with appropriately colored chalk.


Complete the final details like adding dirt and rust colored chalk to the trucks, couplers, etc.


Viola! The "dirty" hopper at home in the dusty, soot filled environment of the Split Rock Mine.


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   06-11-2005, 2:56 PM
steveblackledge


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RE: Basic Weathering, a Pictoral Guide
That look's a great job, it's good of you to share these things with everyone
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   06-11-2005, 4:05 PM
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RE: Basic Weathering, a Pictoral Guide
Nice tutorial. You can never have to much info about weathering. [tup]


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   06-12-2005, 12:49 AM
electrolove


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grande man:

I just wake up and turned on the computer. Wow, this was a nice surprise. It's mini tutorials like this that makes this forum so good, I want to see more things like this. The tutorial looks absolutely professional. Nice pictures and explanations. The only thing that I can complain about is that the pictures could be a little bigger. But that's only my opinion. GREAT WORK GRANDE! [:D]

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   06-12-2005, 7:21 AM
AntonioFP45


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RE: Basic Weathering, a Pictoral Guide
I like that hopper!

A+!
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   06-12-2005, 8:25 AM
grandeman

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QUOTE: Originally posted by electrolove

grande man:

I just wake up and turned on the computer. Wow, this was a nice surprise. It's mini tutorials like this that makes this forum so good, I want to see more things like this. The tutorial looks absolutely professional. Nice pictures and explanations. The only thing that I can complain about is that the pictures could be a little bigger. But that's only my opinion. GREAT WORK GRANDE! [:D]



Glad you enjoyed the thread. [8D]

As for the pics, you do know a double click will enlarge them, right? As for larger pics (high res), my dial up is a severe handicap during the upload.
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   06-12-2005, 9:06 AM
ereimer

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RE: Basic Weathering, a Pictoral Guide
very nice , thanks !
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   06-12-2005, 10:04 AM
Ibflattop

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RE: Basic Weathering, a Pictoral Guide
Thats a cool job ya have got there. I like the idea of the wedge brush on the trucks, I weather mine the same way ya got but I done use dullcoat. I have been weathering this way for about 8 years and havent really had any problems at all would the chalks coming off. Kevin

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   06-12-2005, 10:10 AM
howmus


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Post Icon RE: Basic Weathering, a Pictoral Guide
grande man, Thanks!!! I love your work! I just bookmarked this thread as I should be starting some wheathering of rolling stock soon and this will be very helpful.

Ray


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   06-12-2005, 10:21 AM
grandeman

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RE: Basic Weathering, a Pictoral Guide
Thanks guys for all the positive comments.

The above technique is cheap and quick, two positive attributes! We have more weathering to do, ya'll know I'll post pics. [:D]I hope you guys have fun weathering! Here's a lighter colored car done with the same system to show the effect.

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   06-12-2005, 10:46 AM
tcf511


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RE: Basic Weathering, a Pictoral Guide
Wow, thanks very much. I'm new to the hobby and weathering is one of the things that I most want to learn. This was helpful. One question please, in the photo of applying the soot there is both a paint bottle and a chalk container. Do you use some combination of both?

Tim Fahey
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   06-12-2005, 1:03 PM
grandeman

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QUOTE: Originally posted by tcf511
One question please, in the photo of applying the soot there is both a paint bottle and a chalk container. Do you use some combination of both?


No, just the chalk. The Rail Brown was only used for the wheels. The Floquil bottle was holding the car in position for the camera which was on timer mode. Sorry for the confusion.
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   06-12-2005, 1:12 PM
electrolove


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Yea! I know that they can be clicked on to make them bigger. The idea I had was just to be able to see it more in detail. But it's not a major problem with the size you already have. Good work!

Do you have any more tutorials planned, like scenery for example? Just a suggestion. I want to learn as much as possible so I'm ready when it's time to do scenery on my own layout.

QUOTE: Originally posted by grande man

QUOTE: Originally posted by electrolove

grande man:

I just wake up and turned on the computer. Wow, this was a nice surprise. It's mini tutorials like this that makes this forum so good, I want to see more things like this. The tutorial looks absolutely professional. Nice pictures and explanations. The only thing that I can complain about is that the pictures could be a little bigger. But that's only my opinion. GREAT WORK GRANDE! [:D]



Glad you enjoyed the thread. [8D]

As for the pics, you do know a double click will enlarge them, right? As for larger pics (high res), my dial up is a severe handicap during the upload.

Rio Grande Zephyr 5771 from Denver, Colorado to Salt Lake City, Utah

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   06-12-2005, 2:53 PM
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RE: Basic Weathering, a Pictoral Guide
Grande man - Nice work, thanks. Do you not use a final coat of DullCoat to seal or hold the last layer of chalk you put on?


Electrolove: you might want to check out a recent tutorial on scenery written by Joe Fugate. Here's the link:
http://www.trains.com/community/forum/topic.asp?page=1&TOPIC_ID=32122


Regards

Ed

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   06-12-2005, 4:02 PM
grandeman

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QUOTE: Originally posted by egmurphy

Grande man - Nice work, thanks. Do you not use a final coat of DullCoat to seal or hold the last layer of chalk you put on?





Hi Ed. I don't add a final dull cote layer because it tends to "hide" the lighter earth colors. The dull cote does a good job of keeping the chalk in place because it's embedded in the dulled finish. Chalk will sometimes come off the trucks from handling and is easily touched up. It does better on painted surfaces. Smooth plastic (like many diesel fuel tanks) needs to be roughened lightly with a piece of scothbrite before starting a weathering job.
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   06-12-2005, 4:29 PM
electrolove


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Post Icon RE: RE: Basic Weathering, a Pictoral Guide
egmurphy:

Yes I know about that clinic, but thanks anyway. Joe is really good. Looking forward to try out his methods.

QUOTE: Originally posted by egmurphy

Grande man - Nice work, thanks. Do you not use a final coat of DullCoat to seal or hold the last layer of chalk you put on?


Electrolove: you might want to check out a recent tutorial on scenery written by Joe Fugate. Here's the link:
http://www.trains.com/community/forum/topic.asp?page=1&TOPIC_ID=32122


Regards

Ed

Rio Grande Zephyr 5771 from Denver, Colorado to Salt Lake City, Utah

"Thru the Rockies"
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   06-17-2005, 7:03 PM
grandeman

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Post Icon RE: Basic Weathering, a Pictoral Guide
Hey guys, thought I'd include another pic on this subject. This is one of my fav cars even though it's probably a little "late" for our railroad. I gave it a light weathering job. The pic doesn't show the thin "dust" layer very well but here goes...

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